Tuesday, November 30, 2010


Salt Lake: the city behind the winter Olympics

By Daniel Jeffreys, Daily Mail
Last updated at 10:41 11 February 2002

Salt Lake sparkled in crisp sunshine yesterday as thousands of athletes gathered for two-and-a-half weeks of Olympic competition. But for one group, the great prize has already been won.

The Church of Latter Day Saints, which most people call the Mormons - although 'the LDS', as they like to be known, reject the title - has its headquarters in Salt Lake City.

For millions of Mormons, the use of Salt Lake as the Olympic venue is an astonishing triumph which they believe will rapidly accelerate their expansion.

The Church is already the fastest-growing religion in the U.S., and in the past ten years its global membership has increased fourfold to 11 million.

Yet all is not well under the shadow of the city's mountains.

Critics say the Mormons are an oppressive force who run the state of Utah as if it were a part of the Church, sidelining and punishing those who are not members of the faith.

They say the Mormons have subverted the Olympics for their own ends, using the Games as a global advertisement for their religion - all the while trying to hide its polygamist past and the strange sexual preferences of its founding fathers, Brigham Young and Joseph Smith, who between them had more than 60 wives.

There are many here who think the clean-cut men and women who mingle with the Olympic crowds, looking for every opportunity to make converts, are part of a secret army who seek nothing less than global domination and are prepared to use their enormous wealth to corrupt and undermine those who stand in their way.

And away from the Olympic venues, hidden-in small towns throughout Utah, are pockets of fundamentalist Mormons who practise what they say is the true faith, building incestuous clans with polygamous patriarchs who think nothing of marrying their teenage nieces and threaten those who do not accept their rules with the violence of 'blood atonement'.

Many Mormons go so far as to believe that the choice of Salt Lake City as the Olympic venue was actually the fulfilment of a prophecy written by Brigham Young.

'We shall build a city and temple to the Most High God in this place,' wrote Young in 1890. 'Kings and Emperors and the noble and wise of the earth will visit us here.'

True to this prophecy, the Mormons are a subtle but pervasive presence throughout the Salt Lake Olympics.
Around the city, banners proclaim: 'Friends to All Nations - the Church of Latter Day Saints.'

The head of the Salt Lake Olympics organising committee is Mitt Romney, a prominent Mormon who, many say, has been looking for any way possible to use the Games to promote the Church's message.

Even the medal ceremonies, the focal point of the Olympics, will carry his fingerprints. The Mormons donated a large parcel of land they own in Salt Lake for the Games to use as the medal plaza.

Many Olympic officials wanted the plaza to be laid out with a backdrop of the glorious Wastach Mountains.
But Romney lobbied, successfully, to have the plaza placed on a North-South axis so that the backdrop will be the Salt Lake Temple, the Mormons' spiritual home.

Every event on the plaza stage will feature the Temple spires in the background - a priceless free advertisement for the Church.

Few Mormons had any doubt about the benefits hosting the Olympic Games could bring to their evangelical faith, and they were prepared to use corruption to realise that goal.

Mormons campaigned intensely to win the Games for Salt Lake - so hard that the Salt Lake Bid Committee boosted its candidacy by dispensing more than a million dollars in cash and gifts to members of the International Olympic Committee.

Two of the Salt Lake committee's leaders, David Johnson and Thomas Welch, both prominent members of the Church, were indicted on bribery and other charges.

It was expected that their trial might implicate other leading members of the Mormon establishment, including Michael Leavitt, the Governor of Utah.

Last August, however, the judge in the case, David Sam, who is also a Mormon, threw out the key charges.

This kind of enormous influence, which the Mormons seem to wield without hesitation, is why so many in America see the Church's use of the Olympics to spread its beliefs as something dangerous.

They believe the Mormons have political ambitions that stretch far beyond Salt Lake City.

In his book on Mormonism, Harold Bloom, Professor of Humanities at Yale, wrote that a time may come soon when American Mormons are so numerous and so wealthy - the Church has assets of more than £40 billion - 'that governing our democracy becomes impossible without Mormon co-operation'.

What that would be like can already been seen in Utah, in matters both large and small. The state's alcohol laws reflect the Mormon creed that drinking is ungodly.

In restaurants, a diner is not allowed to have more than two drinks on the table at one time. Beer must have a low alcohol content and nobody can order a double of anything.

It's a restriction which has been deeply annoying to many visitors who have come to enjoy the Games and have a rollicking good party.

The Utah branch of the American Civil Liberties Union has challenged the drink laws many times, to little avail.

It says the Church has built a state which is actually a theocracy - a form of government, like that of the Taliban, where laws are derived from holy texts and in which unbelievers have fewer rights.

It is no surprise the Mormons have such a pervasive hold over Utah's statutes, which critics say they have used to curtail the rights of women, blacks and homosexuals.

Virtually all statewide elective offices, from Governor down, are held by 'Saints', as Mormons often call themselves.

The Utah state legislature is overwhelmingly made up of white Mormon males. Three-quarters of the state's judges are Mormons.

'The fact is, we live in a quasitheocracy,' says James E. Shelledy, editor of the Salt Lake Tribune.

'80 per cent of office holders are from a single party - Mormons are overwhelmingly Republicans - 90 per cent of a single religion, 99 per cent of a single race, and 80 per cent of one gender.'

The Mormons have tried to keep their iron grip on Utah from the public eye as the Olympics approached.

And they have put vigorous effort into keeping one issue in particular off the global stage - polygamy. At this Olympics, it is the curse that dare not speak its name.

The Mormons have an extremely ambiguous attitude towards plural marriage, which is still a powerful social force in Utah, practised by more than 80,000 men and women.

Polygamy was foisted on the Mormons by Joseph Smith, the first Mormon, whose name is still plastered all over Salt Lake City centre.

In July 1843, he said he had been given a revelation: 'If any man espouse a virgin, and desires to espouse another, and the first gives her consent, it is not adultery in God's eyes even if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law.'

After Smith's 'revelation', polygamy flourished among Mormons - and stirred up hatred among non-Mormon Americans.

Smith himself was killed by a violent mob of antipolygamists.

Despite Smith's gruesome demise, his disciple Brigham Young, who became head of the Church, remained a passionate adherent.

He took 55 wives, an aspect of his life which is ignored in his official church biography.

In the 19th century, more than a thousand Mormon men were sent to prison for practising polygamy.
In 1890, this persuaded the U.S. Supreme Court to sanction the nation-wide confiscation of all Mormon property, essentially sentencing the religion to death.
Luckily, that same year, Wilford Woodruff, then the Church's new president, had another fortuitous revelation.
It instructed him that God wanted the Mormons to abandon polygamy, and so they did, receiving statehood for Utah as their reward four years later.

'The Mormons never wanted to abandon polygamy,' says Kaziah Hancock, a former polygamy wife who now campaigns against the practice in Salt Lake.

'They only gave it up to survive. One day, when they are powerful enough, they will bring it back.'

Mention polygamy to any of the fresh-faced Mormons strolling around Temple Square in their identical black coats and they will blush a deep red.

Yet Smith and Brigham Young, the Church's most prolific polygamists, are still the most venerated 'saints' in official Mormonism.

Polygamists are automatically excommunicated from the Church, and Utah law also states the practice is a felony. Yet few are ever prosecuted.

'They could stamp out the practice if they wanted to, but they turn a blind eye,' says Connie Rugg, who was threatened with death by her husband when she escaped an abusive polygamist marriage in 1977.
Some of the few non-Mormons in Utah's state government tried to clean up the polygamists before the Olympics.

A bill was introduced which would have made it a felony for a parent to allow a minor child to enter into an unlawful marriage.

The move backfired horribly. The Utah polygamists descended on the Salt Lake government buildings by the hundreds, arguing the state was trying to turn their religious beliefs into a crime.

They won, the first legal victory for polygamy in Utah since 1890, and now the world will see dozens of pro-polygamy rallies as part of the 'entertainment' provided by the 2002 Winter Olympiad.

Many of those who fear 'the Saints' say the soft Christmas lights which still surround the Salt Lake Temple mask a harder reality: that the Mormons crave power on earth as much as they want salvation in heaven.
'That's what really scares me about this Olympics,' says Vicky Prunty, a former polygamy wife who is now a member of an antipolygamy group.
'It is a staging post for them in becoming America's dominant political force.'
Prunty says that once that happens, there will be another lucky 'revelation' and polygamy will once again be part of the Church's teachings.
Which is why, for the Mormons, this Olympics is not about gold medals or downhill racing - it is about winning influence, using an Olympiad that many of the faithful believe was a gift from God, handed to them so their laws could be spread across the globe.

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The Mormon way...

The Mormons hide the dark side of Salt  Lake City from the world. This is the Mormon way. Polygamy is a practice that makes slaves of young girls who are married off to older men and there is no help for them from the LDS church..

Friday, November 26, 2010

A fair comment

I might not get this, but can someone explain how a man could get into the kitchen, walk to the stairs, go up the stairs, go to her room, take her into the bathroom (As both Elizabeth and her sister stated) then walked back down the stairs and left the house without anybody hearing anything????? Was he floating in air??? Unquote

A very good question my American friend... 

Ed is 'appalled'


Unlike Elizabeth no one is seen smiling the same day after claiming rape

Inside a Sexual Assault Referral Centre

Sarcs were set up to make it easier for victims of rape to come forward for treatment and advice – and to boost the conviction rate of rapists. But is their future funding under threat?
The Initial Room is cleaned throroughly to prevent contamination of evidence.
The Initial Room is cleaned throroughly to prevent contamination of evidence. Photograph: Christopher Thomond for the Guardian
At 11am a young woman wearing pink striped pyjamas is led into a discreet side entrance of St Mary's hospital, Manchester, by a huge, bearded police officer, keys jangling from the breast pocket of his black nylon stab vest, vast brown paper evidence bags tucked beneath his arm.

She says that in the early hours of that morning she was raped by an acquaintance, a man she had spent the evening chatting to in a pub. The police have brought her here to the Sexual Assault Referral Centre (Sarc) to undergo a forensic examination, receive counselling and be advised on and supported in the process of pressing charges.

Everything about the unit has been designed to avoid further humiliation for the victim. The side door is deliberately unmarked, allowing women who have recently been assaulted to avoid the embarrassment of being paraded through the hospital alongside police. The woman is led to a door marked Initial Room, a forensically safe, sterile space with wipe-clean plastic surfaces so that there is no possible contamination of evidence before she is examined. Pictures of orchids and sacks of brightly coloured oriental spices have been hung in a not wholly successful attempt to dilute the clinical atmosphere. A crisis worker sits with her, explaining what is about to happen, while the officer slips across the corridor to brief the doctor.
He runs through his logbook notes of her account, in curtly formal police officialese. "She visited a public house. She met up with a male," he reads. "The offence happened round about two this morning." He explains that she and a girlfriend had met up with a man she vaguely knew, and later the three of them went back to a house; after some time, he said he wanted to have a word with her in private and when she followed him, he raped her. She was shouting a lot, telling him to get off and to stop, and her friend heard and said she would call the police. "At which point he stopped and left the address," the policeman finishes. Beneath the formality he is gently solicitous for the girl's wellbeing and explains that she is exhausted and has had no sleep.

Manchester's police service has a good reputation for its handling of sexual assaults, and this officer has been given extensive training in how to interview women who have been raped. While he can ask her any of the "when", "where", "what" and "how" questions, he knows he is not to ask "why". A line of questioning that looks at her own decisions, questions her choice to go home with someone, to be alone with them, suggests that she should blame herself for the assault and must be avoided.

The woman walked home by herself and the police arrived at her house in the early hours of the morning to take a statement and collect her jeans and underwear for DNA testing, before bringing her here for a full examination. The doctor, a specialist in handling rape cases, makes her own notes, before going to meet the victim to start a physical examination that will take more than two hours. Someone has stuck a public information poster on the wall above her computer that declares: "Rape – short word, long sentence." But the trouble is that rape, short word or not, usually doesn't result in a long sentence, which is why this unit has been set up.
Campaigners tell us that only 6% of reported rapes in this country end up with the rapist convicted, one of the lowest rates in Europe. The figure is controversial, dismissed by some as unhelpfully discouraging, making victims feel so cynical about the process that they do not bother to press charges. The police point out that the rate of conviction for those who are actually charged with rape is a more encouraging 58%, but there remain a large number of reported rapes where charges are never pressed. Years of hostile treatment in the courts, at police stations, at the hands of juries, has left a lingering sense that rape victims are not believed, and many prefer not to submit to unwelcome scrutiny. The 29 Sarcs in England and Wales are described officially as victim-centred medical units, one-stop shops designed to improve the immediate care provided to rape victims, primarily to help them recover better from the attack, and as a side-effect, to boost the conviction rate by supporting women through the prosecution process.

Sarc is staffed 24-7, with doctors constantly on call, so that victims can be seen quickly whenever they are attacked – usually in the middle of the night (with spikes in numbers around Christmas party time, freshers' week, the hot weeks of summer and any time when people are drinking more than usual).

The unit is equipped to gather the most comprehensive forensic evidence, offer advice on sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancy, and provide counselling and assistance throughout a legal process. For those women who decide not to press charges, the support is still on offer. Clothes are stored, and forensic evidence kept in a freezer for seven years in case they change their mind and want to take legal action later.

Vera Baird, Labour's former solicitor general and a champion of the new system, remembers how badly women were treated as recently as a decade ago. "It's very different from going to a police station and knocking on the glass window, probably in a crowded, noisy waiting room, blood on the floor, to tell someone you'd been raped. You would have had to sit there and wait until they found a police medical officer, who'd perhaps come straight from certifying someone dead in the road, or assessing a heroin addict's ability to give evidence, and who wouldn't be a specialist in this area of forensics," she says. "Sarcs treat you like a patient, someone to whom this has happened, with none of the scepticism of a police officer. This gives people the fortitude to go ahead and report the attack."

Upstairs at the morning meeting there are eight women – doctors, counsellors, independent sexual violence advisers (who help victims navigate the legal process) – discussing the cases that have come through over the weekend. First there is the mother of a three-year-old girl, who suspects that the estranged father may have abused her daughter because she has been complaining of a pain and has started crying when she sees him. The girl is booked to come in for an examination later in the morning.

Then there is a student who had a lot to drink and woke up on the floor of the student accommodation, not knowing what had happened for several hours. She is worried she may have been raped.

Next a 17-year-old woman who had been out drinking with her friends. She met up with three lads, whom she recognised, and ended up in a hotel room; she suspects that her drink was spiked and remembers very little of what happened, just the sensation of her face being pushed on to the bed and her arm being bitten.
Last is a Bulgarian woman, in her 20s, whose story had to be untangled through an interpreter. It seems she has been trafficked, brought over here by a Bulgarian man, with the suggestion that she would be employed to look after his children, and perhaps have an opportunity to marry him at some point in the future. She has been examined and counselled but is unwilling to press charges

"She was looking for a better life, but was treated really badly. She was raped on the first day and only managed to escape after two weeks," a counsellor says. "She's asked the police not to take action because she is frightened about reprisals, because the man knows where she lives in Bulgaria."

Staff run through the cases expressing little emotion, skimming through notes biro'd on to pink paper, elbows on the table. Only occasionally do they wince at an unexpected detail.

Michelle Carol, one of the forensic physicians who perform detailed examinations on victims, says women are not put under any pressure to report the case to the police if they don't want to, but staff will try to help them see that they will be believed. "Sometimes they are nervous about how they will be received by the police. They think they will be blamed. A lot of the time they are blaming themselves anyway – if only I hadn't got drunk, if only I hadn't got in that taxi by myself – so they wonder why anyone else would come to another conclusion. We have to explain that this is not about their behaviour, it is about someone else's," she says.

"The police have historically a bad reputation in this area and it's not something that they have shaken off. The view was that many allegations were false, and that they had to weed them out. Often the public are the same. Sometimes we will get a client who thinks that she hasn't really been raped because it doesn't fit into the stereotype of someone being dragged off the streets and beaten, abused and then violently raped. But the bottom line is if you haven't given consent, it's rape, and that's it."

She says most people have ill-informed preconceptions about how a rape victim will behave. "People think they would shout and fight, but they don't. Often they freeze, do nothing. They think they are going to die and think only about self-preservation. They tell themselves: 'Do what he says and then it will be over, and maybe I will survive.' They don't always want to report the attack straight away. They want to crawl into a corner and forget it," she says.

"We don't want to give the impression that we are judging anyone or blaming them, but alcohol is very often a feature because that is when people are often vulnerable. The majority of rapists are acquaintances or well known to them or someone they have spent an evening chatting to, rather than a total stranger."

Each examination can last up to three or four hours, taken at the individual's pace, and is painstakingly methodical and precise to ensure that nothing is missed and that all the evidence found is carefully measured and noted, so it will stand up to scrutiny in court. The work is inevitably gruelling, and being alone with the victim and one crisis worker for long stretches can be quite isolating. Even after several years with the unit, Carol is still occasionally shocked by "the callousness of human nature", constantly "being exposed to the horror of what humans can do".

"If you were emotionally moved by every case, you would be no help to anyone, so you develop coping mechanisms but it's not always possible," she says. "Gang rape is particularly hard. You can understand that there are individuals who are just nasty pieces of work or who have their own mental health problems, but when you have a group of people, you wonder why none of them stood back and said: 'This is wrong.' We see that on a regular basis."

Staff here have a good sense of why rape cases still do not result in as many successful prosecutions as they should. When cases rest on consent, pitting one person's words against another, with no witness to support either side, then even the most expertly gathered forensic evidence may not secure a conviction.

Sharon Scotson, a DCI with Greater Manchester police, who works with Sarc to try to increase the prosecution rate, says victims need to be handled sensitively right from the start. "If you don't get it right in the first instance – if you don't secure evidence, get witnesses, gather CCTV, if the victim is not dealt with properly the first time – then you could lose an investigation," she says. "If the police officer says, 'Well, why did you do that?' then the victim will be lost straight away."

Part of the problem, she concedes, is that successful campaigns have helped police officers shed preconceptions about rape and sensitised NHS staff in handling these cases, but the general public – from which juries are drawn – remain ill-informed, and so cases will be lost.

"It's down to 12 members of a jury, who will have their own preconceived notions," she says. "We have to rely on our victims being able to vocalise, to be able to justify themselves: 'Why didn't you scream, why didn't you run away, why didn't you defend yourself?'

"The victim has to prove that something has happened to them. If you have had a burglary, you don't have to prove that you have been burgled. People tend to believe you."

Alison Barber, a detective sergeant who heads a rape investigation unit in Manchester, adds: "That's why it's so important to have specially trained police working with Sarcs. The victims who come to speak to us are believed, 100%, and it's our responsibility to gather the evidence and put their case before the courts."

A lot of cases are dropped by the Crown Prosecution Service before they get to court because it judges that there is not a "reasonable chance of conviction". If the victim is classified as "vulnerable" in some way, Home Office research suggests that the chances of conviction drop further. The Manchester Sarc's own analysis shows that the majority of the 1,000 or so women, men and children who visit the unit every year have some kind of vulnerability.

"I've seen everyone, from a prominent member of a political party down to an alcohol- and drug-addicted sex worker, but certain groups are over-represented," the unit's clinical director Dr Catherine White says. "People with mental health problems, alcohol problems, learning difficulties, children in care. That's obvious: predators are going to target the vulnerable. It is like a lion with a herd of gazelles . . . they are going to pick off the weakest. When we did an audit, 55% [of the people seen by the unit] were classified as vulnerable in some way."

She agrees that the women who come in are often inclined in the first instance to blame themselves, and are surprised at the way they've handled the situation. "We explain that just because you flirt with somebody, that doesn't mean you want anal sex in the public toilets down the road 10 minutes later," she says. "Also, people in stressful situations don't always manage to do what they'd like to do. Even if it's just an argument with your boss, you never think of the killer putdown line until later on. You always think, I should have said this or done that. You don't think of it until later."

Bernie Ryan, the centre's manager, would like to see more prosecutions, but she concedes that it's not always the best thing for the woman. "We always have to ask ourselves: 'If it happened to me, who would I want to tell?' If the perpetrator was my best friend's husband I might decide to tell nobody," she says. Still, she believes there is evidence to suggest that more cases are going to court than ever before across Manchester, estimating that the conviction rate there is around 68%, slightly higher than the national average.
The last government was committed to increasing the number of Sarcs across the country, in line with recommendations set out by Baroness Vivien Stern, who published an independent review into how rape complaints are handled just before the election. Campaigners have been alarmed by signals from the new government, with its early announcement of anonymity for rape defendants (only reversed earlier this month, after widespread fury), and there was further dismay at a decision by home secretary Theresa May to cancel an inquiry into what lessons could be learned from flawed police handling of the John Worboys and Kirk Reid rape cases (a London taxi driver and a chef and children's football coach who were both, separately, allowed to rape and sexually assault multiple victims before being caught).

A Home Office spokesman would only comment: "The government remains committed to ensuring every victim has access to the dedicated medical and support services they need to help them through their ordeal."
But Stern recently voiced concern that her recommendations would be ignored in the rush to find services that could easily be cut. "It would be very, very sad if we went back to the bad old days where rape victims were dealt with by untrained police and when they need a forensic examination they wait for hours in the custody suite for a police surgeon. We don't want to go back to those days," she said in a BBC interview. "Rape victims must not be forgotten."

Ryan says she would be "foolish not to be concerned" about future funding, but for the moment she is optimistic that their work is too valued to be lost.

In the children's room, where an effort has been made to cheer the atmosphere up with framed photographs of jelly babies and pink-iced cupcakes, Joanne Muccio, a child advocate, has been preparing a 13-year-old for a doctor's meeting and counselling. The girl was raped about two months ago by a family friend. She reported it a few weeks later and a test showed that she had been infected with chlamydia. It's too long ago for any forensic evidence to remain (a week is the outside limit), but the meeting will focus on offering support to the mother, who is very distressed, counselling the girl and discussing the legal process.

"If it's a child, I always ask them first: Do you have a loud voice? Do you know how to shout? You just shout, 'I don't want to do that, Joanne!' if you don't want to do anything," she says, anxious to ensure that a physical examination never echoes the original assault.

Downstairs in the examination suite, the doctor has finished collecting evidence from the 18-year-old who was raped in the night, and she has fallen asleep on a sofa in the room next door, waiting for the policeman to finish sealing up the evidence bags and drive her home. The doctor has found a scratch on the inside leg. "That doesn't show that it was forced, but there is more likely to be an injury if it is; the evidence would suggest that if you have an injury it is more likely to have been non-consensual. Still, most of the people we see don't have any injuries. Even if you have never had sex before it's quite likely there won't be any injuries. People don't realise that," she says.

The patient was not overtly distraught, the doctor says. "She was pretty exhausted. She said, 'I feel dirty,' which is what many say. Very few are overtly distressed by the time they get here. Very few are desperately, desperately upset. They feel they just have to keep on going. We do laugh and joke. The crisis worker will be there, on the side of the bed, holding her hand."

She thinks the case will hinge, as many cases do, on consent: "I just gather the evidence. I can't judge because I don't know the full story." The girl plans to press charges, but a formal police video interview will not be done until the following day, to allow her to get some sleep. The police officer hopes her resolve will not waver.

"Rape is one of the hardest offences to prove. That's the problem. A lot depends on how the victim comes across in interviews, how they come across on the stand, as to how the jury takes it," the officer says.
"You sometimes wish they would report, but knowing what happens when they go through the justice system you can understand why so many don't," the doctor says.

Even those who do not go on to report a rape will receive support from the staff for several weeks if they want it. White says the impact of their work is often visible in the demeanour of the woman as she leaves the unit. "The person who walks out two or three hours later is hugely different to the one who walked in. They might well be smiling. You treat them like human beings. It is part of the healing process," she says.
Names and some details have been changed to avoid identification of victims.
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COMMENT: None appear to be in a hurry to relive their ordeal in a movie and books.

'Elizabeth, is it really you? missing nine months, not nine years!!!!!!!!!!!

'Elizabeth' is it really you'? pretty obvious when you view the photograph in the sidebar but Ed wishes to make it sound as though his daughter was beyond recognition, why? here we have a picture of a rosy cheeked , smiling plump girl with very clean hair...not the image of a child raped four times a day and shackled to a tree. The defence for Mitchell and Wanda, not hard to see who is paying them and that this couple have no defence at all.



Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping Accomplice Tearfully Testifies

Saturday November 20, 2010 01:15 PM EST
Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping Accomplice Tearfully Testifies
Elizabeth Smart and Wanda Barzee
Jon Kopaloff/FilmMagic; AP
Wanda Barzee wept at the trial of her husband, Brian David Mitchell, as she recalled how he kidnapped and raped 14-year-old Elizabeth Smart.

Wearing shackles and a blue-and-white striped jail jumpsuit, Barzee, 65, broke down during cross-examination Friday by federal prosecutor Felice Viti in a Salt Lake City courtroom.

Barzee, who is serving a 15-years-to-life sentence after pleading guilty for her role in Smart's kidnapping, said she felt manipulated by Mitchell, who told her he was driven by religious revelations.

As Smart calmly watched the testimony sitting with her family, Barzee also admitted that she didn't like the attention Mitchell gave to Smart after kidnapping her in 2003 and taking her to a camp where the girl was attached to a cable.
"You felt neglected and you made your feelings known on more than one occasion to the defendant, didn't you?" asked Viti.

"Yes," she said softly.
Barzee said that sexual assaults on Smart were part of Mitchell's "revelations," and tearfully acknowledged that Mitchell said that he and Barzee were required to demonstrate sexual intercourse in front of Smart.

"I was told not to complain," she testified.

Losing her composure on the stand, Barzee said she now realized he lied to her throughout the nine months they held Smart.
"He's a good liar isn't he?" asked Viti.

"Yes," said Barzee, bursting into tears. "He's a great deceiver."
"There was nothing the defendant did, in your experience with him, looking back, that was kind? Charitable?"


"Do you feel sorrow for the things you did...the kidnapping of Elizabeth Smart?"

"The raping of Elizabeth Smart?"

Now sobbing, Barzee said, "Yes."
Mitchell, 57, faces life in prison if convicted of kidnapping and unlawful transportation of a minor across state lines. After a weeklong recess next week, the trial is expected to resume on Nov. 29 and last until mid-December.

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COMMENT: This is my point you may not leave a comment unless it is a Salt Lake City mormon comment. This is unbelievable ,you have a woman shackled and terrified ,brainwashed by the system, schooled to be told what to say as the SMARTS look on to make sure all goes to plan. Wanda ,who did not know she had a mental problem until she was 'told' by the state. I repeat where is Ed Smarts 911 call where is the forensic proving the window mesh was slashed from inside out..where is the DNA evidence of rape. Twice in one week two cases are heard without DNA..the Chandra Levi trial to shut up the family and take the heat from an ex member of congress . Well as long as the American sheeple are happy and 'they think' America is the land of free speech...Money buys you justice it also buys you silence and if you do not like what they say you may wake up dead .

Erica Pratt : does Lizzy give this child her ' experienced advice' ?


Lying evil Lizzy... not everyone believes


Tuesday, November 23, 2010

Did Mormon Church Cover up the truth about Elizabeth Smart Kidnapping

Having now seen the photographs of Elizabeth on the day she was found (right, in the side bar) and the following day with her siblings. I now know without a doubt Elizabeth lied and from reading the following I  understand why she lied and who made her. But this does not excuse her for the lies she has told under oath, or the very sick of mind, Ed Smart and Elizabeths mother who seems happy to go along with this circus. The Mormons are very,very strange people and Utah has a more than 60% stranglehold.
Elizabeth Smart has been turned into a monster.


The moment Elizabeth was found

This is Elizabeth being rushed to an unmarked van after she had been taken to the police station.

Look closely, is this the picture of a girl who has been through nine months of trauma? Elizabeth rosy cheeked and her hair , her hair is clean. Can anyone after seeing this photograph really believe the Smart story ?

The images of Elizabeth at a party with her friends have all been removed from the Internet


The strange world of the Mormons...


Rape Trauma Syndrome....Elizabeth seems to have not shown any signs of her ordeal

Family resistent to Stockholm Syndrome...

It was also rumoured Elizabeth wanted to play herself in the movie and she did not like the actress chosen to play her part, not pretty enough for Elizabeth.  A girl who has been claiming under Oath she was so terrified, within months, wished to relive her ordeal all over again for the camera.

Troubling me always, the Smarts, the way they allowed a movie to be made of Elizabeth's ordeal within months after her return. If your child was abducted and raped by a drifter, would you sell the rights of her ordeal to NBC and allow a movie of it to be shown on national TV? How doublely traumatizing for Elizabeth if her story were true? 

Even more, they allowed People magazine and Oprah and others to do interviews and photo shoots immediately after Elizabeth's return. Why were they putting that child back in the public spotlight? Didn't she need time to rest and recover? The Oprah interview was particularly interesting. She asked Elizabeth to play the  harp, and while she did, Oprah was doing this little dance thing behind her, almost as if she was making fun of her.

They seem to love to brag about Elizabeth, like she is some kind of trophy ,even now on forums , where one is allowed free speech it is said Ed Smart uses her like a media whore, dragging her from place to place where she is allowed to reply with abrupt yes or no answers.
And the Smarts were always very resistent to the idea that Elizabeth had Stockholm Syndrome. They seem to hate the idea that, after many months, she may have allied with her friends Mitchell and Wanda. When Elizabeth was found, she was not cooperative with the police, and tried to conceal her identity. Even when they ID'd her as Elizabeth  she answered "So thou sayest."I also noticed that the parents seemed to encourage her to put the whole incident behind her. In fact, the whole family talked as if she'd been on some long adventure.  I believe she had.

The movie was going to be made, the magazines were going to discuss her and she was going to be on the news.  They sold the rights to NBC rather than say Lifetime, so that gave them power in over how the story was told. They were also very selective, at first, about who she was interviewed by.  Katie Couric was told what she could and could not say to Elizabeth..which was very strange..maybe Elizabeth would slip up and not keep to the script of ' abduction'?
 The top priority ."Will this help Elizabeth?" Making a movie of her 'alleged ordeal' just a few months after her 'recovery' . Who cares if "other people" watch a movie that's not 100% accurate. Why be so worried about what other people think?
The Smarts needed the money, but more than that they wanted the fame and along with the fame came power.

The Mormons have strange beliefs and truly believe they are 'superior beings' . Maybe Elizabeth is a victim and should be pitied but if she is a victim, it is of her fathers doing and not Mitchell and Wanda's.

'It was just indescribable fear': Kidnap victim Elizabeth Smart describes moment she was abducted from her bed at knifepoint when she was just 14

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 12:03 PM on 9th November 2010

  • Elizabeth: I thought it was a nightmare
  • Mother Lois Smart: It was utter terror
  • Mitchell's lawyer: He thought God wanted him to do it
Kidnap victim Elizabeth Smart has described the moment she was snatched from her bed at knifepoint when she was just 14.

In dramatic evidence at the trial of her alleged abductor, she said she woke to find a cold knife at her neck and initially believed she was having a nightmare.

'It was just indescribable fear,' she said on the stand during the first day of testimony in the Salt Lake City federal trial of Brian David Mitchell yesterday.
Mitchell is charged with kidnapping and unlawful transportation of a minor.
Elizabeth Smart
Elizabeth Smart arrives at court to give evidence
Testimony: Elizabeth Smart arrives at court in Salt Lake City to give evidence against her alleged kidnapper Brian David Mitchell
Elizabeth Smart
Support: She was accompanied by her sister Mary (right) who had been sleeping in the same bed on the night Elizabeth was taken

The case resumed after an appeals court rejected a request to move the case out of Utah
Smart, who was 14 when she was taken, described her nine-month abduction, including how she was awakened by a man's voice.

'I remember him saying that I have a knife to your neck, don't make a sound, get out of bed and come with me or I will kill you and your family,' she said.

Smart, now 23, said she was groggy for the first threat.

'Then I heard it again and I was immediately wide awake,' she said.

'I don't know if I could describe what I felt other than I knew how deadly the situation was. I was extremely scared.'
Lois and Ed Smart
Elizabeth's parents Lois and Ed Smart arrive at court: Mrs Smart also took the witness stand to describe the night her daughter was abducted

Smart said she got up and he grabbed her arm, took her into a closet, had her put on tennis shoes and left the house, leaving behind her parents and siblings - including a 9-year-old sister in the same bed.

'He said he was taking me hostage, for ransom. I was shocked. I thought I was having a nightmare,' she told jurors confidently.

The first witness Monday was her mother, Lois Smart, who hired Mitchell, then known only as a homeless street preacher named Immanuel, to do handyman work at the family home in the fall of 2001.

Mrs Smart told jurors that she and her children encountered Mitchell on the streets of downtown Salt Lake City and one of her sons urged her to give him some money.

'He looked like a clean-cut, well-kept man that was down on his luck, who just needed some help to get on with his life. I gave him $5,' she said.
Mrs Smart also gave Mitchell the family's address and phone number, offering to hire him for odd jobs.
Elizabeth Smart's alleged kidnapper Brian David Mitchell is led into court
On trial: Brian David Mitchell, centre, is accused of kidnapping Elizabeth Smart from her Utah home when she was only 14
A court drawing shows, from left, Elizabeth Smart, Mary Katherine Smart, defence attorney Robert Steele, and Brian David Mitche
A court drawing shows, from left, Elizabeth Smart, Mary Katherine Smart, defence attorney Robert Steele, and Brian David Mitchell

Mitchell soon called her husband, Ed Smart, who had Mitchell come by a few days later to help fix a leaky roof, which went well, Mrs Smart said.

'I do remember having a conversation with him, hoping that he would do more work. He seemed fine,' she said.

Mitchell, who only did that one project for the family, was clean shaven at the time but now has a long graying beard to the middle of his chest and long hair to the middle of his back.

Lois Smart also recalled for jurors the night her daughter was taken. She was awakened by another daughter, Mary Katherine, who was 9 at the time and slept with Elizabeth.

Mary Katherine had a baby blanket wrapped around her head and neck and looked like 'a scared rabbit.'
'She said a man has taken Elizabeth with a gun and that we won't find her. He took her either for ransom or hostage,' Lois Smart recalled Mary Katherine, now 18, saying.

Lois Smart said she went downstairs to the kitchen and immediately noticed the window was open and the screen was cut in a U-shape.
'My heart sank and I yelled out to Ed, called 911, she's gone,' Lois Smart said.
 Elizabeth Smart says her nine-month abduction began when Brian David Mitchell held a knife to her throat in her Utah home while her family slept
Terrified: Elizabeth Smart at the time of her abduction
'It was utter terror. It was the worst feeling knowing that I didn't know where my child was. I was helpless.'
Elizabeth Smart testified that she left the window open because her mother and burned the potatoes for dinner and the smoke still lingered.

One of Mitchell's lawyers said during opening statements that he was influenced by an escalating mental illness and extreme religious beliefs that made him think he was doing what God wanted him to do.

Public defender Parker Douglas didn't dispute the facts but took issue with the prosecution's allegation that Mitchell is a calculating person who planned the kidnapping.

'His life here is marked by an intense idiosyncratic set of beliefs. This is, as you will see, a pattern with Brian, a search for a deep connection and a belief that he has found something that has given him a certainty and a meaning in life,' Douglas said.

If he is convicted, Mitchell could spend the rest of his life in federal prison.

Smart was found in March 2003 after motorists spotted her walking in a Salt Lake City suburb with Mitchell.
Prosecutors have said Smart will provide jurors with lengthy, detailed testimony about her abduction, alleged sexual abuses during nine months of captivity, and threats she has said Mitchell made on her life and her family.

Smart is currently serving on a French mission trip for the Mormon Church but plans to resume her music studies at Brigham Young University next year.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327850/Elizabeth-Smart-describes-moment-abduction-bed-knifepoint-just-14.html#ixzz166BJtPTO

Monday, November 22, 2010

Mormons fourteen articles of faith


Larry Kings wife, a devout mormon , both have now filed for divorce,  makes things a lot clearer to his relationship with the Smarts.


Larry King Transcript with Smarts/Walsh

Interview With Elizabeth Smart
Aired May 4, 2006 - 21:00   ET

LARRY KING, CNN HOST: Tonight, Elizabeth Smart speaks out in her first live interview since her abduction nightmare made national headlines three years ago. Kidnapped from her own bedroom, held captive for nine months, and then miraculously recovered and reunited with the family that never gave up hope. How's she doing now?
Elizabeth Smart with her father Ed Smart. And John Walsh of "America's Most Wanted." His son Adam was abducted and murdered and he turned that tragedy into a powerful law enforcement tool.

It's all next on LARRY KING LIVE.

When this was booked we didn't think it would happen to be a historic night but it turned out that way. Not only is the lovely Elizabeth Smart here, her first live prime-time appearance with her dad Ed and John Walsh in Florida.

But today, just a short time ago, the Senate finally passed the Sex Offender Registration Bill. Did you expect it today Ed?

ED SMART: No. No. I don't know if we would be here if it wasn't for that. No, it's just, you know, one more step towards really protecting and taking care of our kids. And it's not just our kids. I think it's everyone. I mean when we've got predators out there we've really got to learn to somehow deal with them.

KING: The key, John Walsh, was what, Senator Kennedy let up on the hold right?

JOHN WALSH, "AMERICA'S MOST WANTED": Well, I got to give you some credit, Larry. I was on the show last week and you and I talked about Senator Kennedy and taking the high road and I think he did.

You asked him the next night when he was on the show why he was holding up this bill. I think he had good intentions. He had a big piece of legislation he wanted to get passed. But, I think that pressure meant a lot.

I know Senator Orrin Hatch, who is a friend of the Smarts, talked to Senator Kennedy and said "Let's not hold this important piece of legislation up" and it got passed today.

I talked to Bill Frist and he said "I'm going out on the Senate floor in ten minutes and that legislation is going to get passed and it's going to change the way this country deals with sexual predators."

KING: Senator Hatch and Senator Kennedy are good friends. Do you expect it to breeze through the House?

ED SMART: I am hoping that it's really going to move. They've really been talking trying to get the Senate to move on it. The Senate has moved on it now and our focus is really to hit May 25th, National Missing Children's Day to have that. I mean so many people have been working to push this forward. It's just a wonderful step.

KING: Why is the bill so important to you?

ED SMART: I think that when you look at the nation there is no consistency in how sex offenders are treated, how they register, how they're...

KING: Tennessee might be different from Maryland.

ED SMART: Absolutely and how they're looked at as far as, you know, in one city they may call -- say that a tier one is a horrible person versus a tier three isn't a bad person versus another city will be just the opposite. There's no -- there's no consistency in making it so that there is some accountability I think on the part of the sex offender, which is a difficult thing to have happen. But I think that they'll get the message.

KING: Do we have a definition, John, of sex -- what is a sex offender?

WALSH: Well, this bill includes rapists of adult women, real serious rapists and it also it includes child molesters and this would be for the first time that we'd have a national sex offender registry that would be monitored by the Justice Department that the U.S. Marshals would go out and hunt these guys down if they don't register or they don't comply with their probation.

And it would let parents know everywhere, every citizen, just like Ed said, where these guys are and we have to determine the level, the serious level of these sex offenders. Most of them, as Ed said, will be that level three, the most serious sex offenders.

But there's 150,000 convicted sex offenders who are in non- compliance today, who basically said "I won't register. I won't tell you where I live" and they're out there. So, this is really going to change the way this country deals with convicted sex offenders.

KING: Let's spend some moments with Elizabeth. How you doing?

ELIZABETH SMART: I am doing great.

KING: This had to be rough on you the whole situation. How do you feel being the center of attention?

ELIZABETH SMART: It's different. I never expected it.

KING: Don't like it? Like you helped pass this bill. What happened to you, the bad that happened to you brought about good.

ELIZABETH SMART: Yes. I just hope that no child or anybody would ever have to go through what I went through because nobody deserves to go through that. And it's just so -- it's horrible for people. I mean a lot of people, I mean fortunately for me, you know, I haven't had anything like I haven't been slowed down by anything. But other people sometimes it just drops their whole life around it and they can't move on because it's so horrible to them.

KING: During the nine months of this story were you aware of all the attention being paid to you?

ELIZABETH SMART: I don't think I was aware as much.

KING: All the television (INAUDIBLE).

ELIZABETH SMART: I didn't -- I didn't know so much. Like I always had faith in my family like I didn't think they'd give up on me but I didn't know how big it was.

KING: No? Did you -- do you think back often to the night you were taken?


KING: Don't think about it much?


KING: You're now what you're going to graduate high school?


KING: Working in a bank?


KING: A teller?


KING: Outside and inside?


KING: Just I like to know where you are positioned in the bank. And you're going to go to Brigham Young University?


KING: And you have a boyfriend?


KING: And he's -- you don't have to name him and he's going on a mission right? ELIZABETH SMART: Yes.

KING: Are you a devout Mormon?


KING: How is your younger sister Mary Catherine? We all got to know her well.

ELIZABETH SMART: She's doing great. She is the cutest little girl ever. I just love her.

KING: She was with you the night you were taken right?


KING: When that happened was it all like a -- I don't want to put words in your mouth, a dream, a nightmare?

ELIZABETH SMART: Yes, it seemed very unreal. I don't know I couldn't believe it because my family has always been safe. My mom's always, you know, "Call me when you get to your friend's house. You know you need to be home by this time." You know we have always been like a safe family, so I didn't know what was going on.

KING: Did you ever think during this time, Elizabeth that you would be killed?

ELIZABETH SMART: You know, when I first -- when -- yes I did.

KING: When you were first taken?


KING: After a while though did that not enter your thoughts?

ELIZABETH SMART: No, it was always a possibility. I mean if I were ever to like it was a possibility.

KING: The day you got free what do you remember about that most? You were identified right on the street?

ELIZABETH SMART: Yes. It was like the greatest day ever just seeing my dad and my mom and my family. It was wonderful.

KING: You never lost faith did you Ed?

ED SMART: You know there were certainly times when we had doubts but you know...

KING: Had to be.

ED SMART: Yes, absolutely but we, you know, we felt so blessed as a family to have the nation behind us in prayer and we believe that's really what brought her home. And, of course, the media played a huge, huge part, you know, John with "America's Most Wanted" that was the direct result.

And, you know, I think that now when we look at things, I mean I think that's why Elizabeth is here with me tonight is because, you know, we just know how bad it is and we do not want to see other people have to go through it. And, Orrin Hatch has been so wonderful in pushing this along with John. John, his face is everywhere.

KING: In fact, Senator Frist mentioned John today. We'll take a break and be back with Elizabeth Smart, Ed Smart, and John Walsh on this edition of LARRY KING LIVE. Don't go away.


LOIS SMART: Elizabeth, we love you. Our hearts are close together. I'm wearing the special necklace you gave me on my birthday. I love you. I think of you every minute and I know we're close. You're going to come home Elizabeth.

ED SMART: I'm asking and I'm pleading with whoever has her that I would do anything to have her back in my arms. We really want her home.

L. SMART: And, Elizabeth, if you can hear us we love you Elizabeth. We haven't forgotten and everybody wants you back and we won't stop until you're home.



KING: The Smart sisters. John, did you lose faith, John Walsh?

WALSH: I believe that you never give up but I got to tell you there's a couple of reasons why Elizabeth Smart is home. Apart from the media, apart from "America's Most Wanted," all the public who looked for her, Ed and Lois Smart never gave up. Ed Smart never gave up calling me. Lois, they never stopped looking for this beautiful girl. Their love was so incredible.

I went through it. I walked in their shoes looking for Adam and I knew what they were dying of. They were dying from the not knowing. And the courage of this young lady to handle that, stay alive, Elizabeth really is a loud voice for survivors.

I don't really like the term victim survivor. This young lady has got so much courage to keep battling and to say, "Look, I went through it. You can survive. You can make a difference." I think the Smart family is a real, a real role model for the rest of the country.

KING: This new law, Ed, though wouldn't have covered her alleged abductor who had no prior record right?

ED SMART: No prior record.

KING: So, you're still for it even though it wouldn't? ED SMART: Absolutely. I think that in most cases they are -- they do have prior records.

KING: Ninety-five percent (INAUDIBLE).

ED SMART: And because of that -- absolutely and I mean, you know, I think that the majority of the people out there are people that the family knows and people that you're trusting in and unfortunately you've got to be aware of your surroundings and be aware that this risk is there.

KING: Knowing how strong your faith is, Elizabeth, do you forgive your abductors?

ELIZABETH SMART: Yes. Yes, I do. I mean, you know, one day my mom sat me down and she said "You know, Elizabeth, you can either, you know, forgive them and move on and just forget that it ever happened to you and just, you know, continue on in your life or, you know, you can just -- I mean, yes, what they did to you was horrible and you didn't deserve that and no one should deserve that and, you know, you can just sit there and be mad at them.

But really then you're just -- your whole life is going to be wrapped up in it and you won't be able to move on and you'll just always be like my life would be -- you just always think to yourself, oh well my life would be so much better if these two people never had happened, I mean you know if they had never and just blame everything on them."

KING: Fortunately, Ed, there will not be a trial right?

ED SMART: I have no clue.

KING: I thought that was the word.

ED SMART: No, we are still waiting. The last comment was if Mitchell would cooperate he could be made competent, which to me is I mean how is he ever going to cooperate?

KING: You don't want her to testify?

ED SMART: No. You know I would just as soon see him locked away, whether it's a civil commitment or whatever.

KING: The most extraordinary thing, Elizabeth, is coping. How did you cope?


KING: No, through all those nine months. What kept you going during the day at night, going to sleep, what kept you going?

ELIZABETH SMART: You know, well my whole life I've just, you know, I've been raised and taught that, you know, I have a Heavenly Father who loves me and you know he will always be there for me. And, you know, I believe that. You know there's nothing. KING: So that was always present to you?

ELIZABETH SMART: No, I always knew that he loved me and that whether I survived or I didn't he would always be there and that my family would always love me no matter what happened.

KING: But didn't you ever say at all "Heavenly Father, why have you let this happen to me?"

ELIZABETH SMART: Oh, absolutely but I mean, ah, why someone else? I mean, you know, I asked myself the same question. I mean if it wasn't me who would it be? And, I mean I'm happy to say that, you know, I am here today and I am doing great.

KING: Yes, you are.

ELIZABETH SMART: And I want this bill to go through so that so many more people will be protected, young children, girls, you know. Nobody should have to go through that.

KING: You were very emotional looking at the clips we showed going to the last break of your father and your mother the day you went missing and then talking. That still hits you right to know how loved you were and are?


KING: Is it hard to look at?

ELIZABETH SMART: You know, I just -- I'm touched to see how much my parents love and care for me. But I don't -- I don't try to think back. I don't try to look back. I mean I like see my life before and then now and I just don't -- I don't sit there and think about it. I just go on.

KING: How do people treat you?

ELIZABETH SMART: You know, I have a lot of people come up to me and they'll be like "Oh, you look so familiar. Where do I know you?" And, you know, when it realizes that it's me sometimes they'll start to cry and they'll be like "We prayed for you." And I appreciate it so much. I mean like I am still amazed at how much people did for me. Like every day I have people come up to me like, you know, "We just want you to know that we prayed for you" and I appreciate it so much.

KING: How are you treated in high school?

ELIZABETH SMART: Pretty regular.

KING: Just like another kid? You can't be treated just like another kid.

ELIZABETH SMART: I'd walk down the hall sometimes and there are some kids that would like yell my name just to see if I'd turn my head or if it was really me.

KING: But other than that it's a normal day?

ELIZABETH SMART: Yes, pretty much, I mean yes.

KING: Your boyfriend ask you a lot about it?


KING: Does not?


KING: We'll be right back with Elizabeth smart, Ed Smart and John Walsh. The Smarts leave us at the bottom of the hour. Walsh remains. And what a story. Don't go away.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Alive and well, 15-year-old Elizabeth Smart was found close to her own home in the nearby suburb of Sandy. Police say around one o'clock this afternoon two sets of witnesses spotted the girl shrouded in disguise.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was just walking, you know, with the other two people. She wasn't really -- I thought it was an older lady with the scarves and sunglasses.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Witnesses say Elizabeth was walking by a poster with her picture on it. Police say she was alongside this man, 49-year-old Brian David Mitchell.



KING: We're back. Elizabeth, are you super careful about strangers, about your environment, about who's around you?

ELIZABETH SMART: I would say I'm very cautious about where I go and people who I associate with.

KING: Do you tend not to go places alone?

ELIZABETH SMART: I know my parents prefer me not to.

KING: But do you?

ELIZABETH SMART: But I don't really go places alone. I mean it's not because I'm like scared or worried or anything. I just -- it's just funner (sic) when there's another person with you.

KING: How careful are you Ed?

ED SMART: About my kids?

KING: You no longer hire drifters.

ED SMART: No, we no longer hire homeless people and, you know, you just -- after something like this we're paranoid aren't we?


KING: You're not too happy about that. The truth.

ELIZABETH SMART: Well, I know they care about me and I appreciate it but there are times definitely when I'm just move on already.

KING: Well it's understandable though right?


KING: How paranoid are you?

ED SMART: Just, I mean...

KING: Don't go out.

ED SMART: No, I want her to go out. I want her to live. I want her to be careful. I think as any parent just the safety of your children today, I mean things are different than they were with us growing up and there is just no question that it is riskier and I just want Elizabeth to realize those risks and the potential consequences out there.

KING: Because she would be a likely target wouldn't she?

ED SMART: Sure. Sure she would be.

KING: If you're going to grab someone, grab a name.


KING: Are you concerned that you live in Salt Lake and she's going to Provo and she's going to go to BYU? She will be away from home.

ED SMART: She will but I feel really comfortable that she'll, you know, she's a great girl. She has weathered the storm and I know that she'll be able to handle it. I mean we're going to be concerned but she'll probably hear from dad, "How are you?"

KING: How do you feel about going to college?


KING: Scary?

ELIZABETH SMART: I mean I'm excited but I remember thinking everyone was so old when they're like "Oh, yes, I'm going to college this year" and now it's and you're like I'm not that old.

KING: Are you going to major in music?

ELIZABETH SMART: Yes. KING: Do you want to play harp for a living?


KING: You'd like to be a professional harpist with a symphony orchestra?

ELIZABETH SMART: Or a teacher, yes.

KING: What got you into the harp? I grew up with 100 people. Not one said "Boy I want to be a harpist."

ELIZABETH SMART: Well, I think it was a really long time ago and I was really...

KING: No piano?

ELIZABETH SMART: I actually played the piano when I was little but I didn't play it for very long.

KING: Did someone say "Take the harp"?

ELIZABETH SMART: I think my mom, I think she suggested it and she showed it to me and I saw like little ornaments and had one on a Christmas tree and I was like "Oh, I want to be a little ornament. I want to play on the Christmas tree."

KING: That's a great story. How is your wife doing?

ED SMART: She's doing great. The family is just doing very, very well and we want to see all those other families do the same.

KING: You lost your dad?

ED SMART: He passed away a couple months ago.

KING: He was at the house when we went up and taped the whole family.

ED SMART: He was a great man, a great example to us and we're, you know...

KING: Did you ever see any television during this period? Did you ever see like this show, John Walsh, or people going on talking about you?


KING: Nothing?

ELIZABETH SMART: No. I saw a poster. I saw a couple posters.

KING: Posters, look for this girl?


KING: Strange to be in that world. Did nine months seem longer than nine months?

ELIZABETH SMART: Oh, yes. Yes, they seemed very long.

KING: John will be -- John Walsh will be continuing with us for the full next half hour. But this is some girl isn't she John?

WALSH: She's incredible. I think you just have to look at her and say this is one beautiful, intelligent, very talented, I've heard her play the harp many, many times, courageous young lady and she's -- but her dad is right. You know the women are 11 to 35 are the number one category of victims, so Elizabeth be safe when you go to college. We love you.

I actually had the privilege of calling her -- a guy she went to a prom with and saying "Look, I'm calling on behalf of Elizabeth Smart." I think you remember this Elizabeth. I said, "You better have her home at a certain hour and there will be five U.S. marshals following you around all night." But she's -- just kidding. She's a beautiful, brave lady. I mean she's an inspiration actually.

KING: John, you're a control freak?

WALSH: No, come on. Come on.

KING: And, Ed, did you have any qualms about asking Elizabeth to come on here tonight?

ED SMART: You know, Elizabeth doesn't like to deal with the media and...

KING: She's done great.

ED SMART: She has. She is wonderful and I am so proud of her. But, you know, the real reason she's here tonight is because of the bill and not wanting to see other families go through it.

And, you know, to hear that this passed, I had a call from Orrin and he said to say hello to you. You know, he is a great man. He's been pushing this bill forward and there have been so many out there, so many advocates that have been just wonderful trying to make it happen and this is just one step that, you know, we're moving forward.

KING: So, if it didn't happen today, we'd have been asking for the passage?

ED SMART: We would have.

KING: Good luck to you, Elizabeth.


KING: You're a doll.

ED SMART: Thanks, Larry.

KING: Ed. Ed Smart and Elizabeth Smart, an incredible story I guess of survival. We'll be right back with John Walsh. Don't go away.


L. SMART: I am the luckiest mother in the world. I am so happy and so thrilled. I am overjoyed with the return of Elizabeth. And, thanks to you for your love, your prayers, your support. It was a priceless gift that we couldn't have done without you so thank you, thank you, thank you.




SEN. BILL FRIST (R-TENN), MAJORITY LEADER: I also have to mention someone that I've gotten to know personally but the American people know in large part because of his very effective voice on television, and that is John Walsh.

John Walsh, who runs the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, commenting in constantly, staying on this issue, having suffered a real tragedy with his own child in the past.


KING: That's Senator Bill Frist, the majority leader of the Senate, mentioning John Walsh today on the occasion of the Senate's passing this bill. May 25th, by the way, is National Missing Children's Day. President Reagan proclaimed the first National Missing Children's Day in 1983. If the bill sails through the House, as everyone hopes it will, they're all hoping for a Rose Garden ceremony on that day, May 25th. Think it will happen, John?

WALSH: Well, actually, Larry, it has gone through the House twice. But it goes to conference now. This Florida Congressman, Mark Foley and Bradley Schreiber, one of his wonderful staff -- we almost three years ago.

He took it to James Sensenbrenner. It actually passed the House twice, then it got stuck in the Senate. And Orrin Hatch tried to move it through. But Bill Frist was the real champion. He got it out on the floor today.

Senator Kennedy made the magnanimous gesture of saying "I'm not going to hold it." He had his own agenda of putting other things on there. But it still has to go to conference and it still has to be signed by the president to make it a law.

So the two big hurdles, the House and Senate are overcome. They go to conference and hack it out. I'm hoping that President Bush will do this legislation the honor to sign it in the Rose Garden, hopefully before or on Missing Children's Day. But my wife always says that it's not a done deal until the president signs it.

KING: Young Elizabeth was extraordinary tonight. She was very shy and very nervous before going on. Didn't you think so? I thought she was well within herself.

WALSH: I'm going to tell you that Ed and Elizabeth came on tonight for one primary reason. Up until 7:00 tonight, that bill was stuck in the United States Senate. Ed was there the day we introduced this bill almost three years ago. And Elizabeth, as she plainly put it, is no big fan of the media. And she's uncomfortable, but you could see the courage of that girl, young lady.

She came on there tonight to say "I'm here, it happened to me, and I want to make sure this piece of legislation gets passed." So my hat is off to her because I've met so many victims who have let what happened to them spiral them down into hell. And this girl's a shining example, and her family, of what courage that she really has.

KING: Let's touch some bases. You had a chance to ride along for Operation Falcon II. What is that?

WALSH: Well, last year the marshals saddled up with lots of state and local agencies to form these task forces to go out and arrest wanted fugitives.

Last year was Operation Falcon No. 1. It was incredible. They arrested almost 10,000 predators, fugitives. This year they targeted sexual predators, and I rode with the Dallas Ft. Worth U.S. marshals, the Dallas P.D. fast team, the sheriffs in that part of Texas. It will be on this Saturday night. It's an incredible operation where nationwide they target wanted fugitives, dangerous fugitives. But this year, my speciality, the guys I hate the most, the sexual predators.

KING: Let's discuss some cases of personal interest before we get into the general area. What about the missing woman, Lindsay Harris?

WALSH: Gosh, I knew Lindsay Harris when she was a young lady, a teenager. And this girl -- tomorrow will be the one-year anniversary of her disappearance in Las Vegas. I know one thing for sure. Her loving, caring parents are just like Ed and Lois Smart.

The not knowing is killing them. We need any type of information we can about this young lady. Somebody knows what's happened to her. And I always say, you can call 1-800-CRIME-TV. You can remain anonymous.

Look at the people who called in about Elizabeth Smart. I mean, we've had the great fortune of taking 877 guys off the street. So this family is in agony not knowing. The not knowing is the worse.

So we just want to draw attention. Your show is great about bringing attention to missing women. People really care about missing kids, as they should, and that took years to focus the media in that. But really nobody cares about missing women.

KING: You say, John, that you knew this woman?

WALSH: Absolutely. She grew up in a town that I was born close to. She knew my daughter, and life took her in a couple different directions. But I knew her as a beautiful young lady and, you know, people need to know what happened to her.

A lot of us fear the worst. I never give up hope. Elizabeth Smart is the shining example of never giving up hope. It's a one-year anniversary tomorrow for her family, and it is absolute torture not to know what happened to Lindsay.

KING: Why are people generally not interested in missing young women?

WALSH: You know something, when Chandra Levy went missing, there were 5,000 women in the FBI computer and the only reason I think the media cared about Chandra Levy because she had an affair with Gary Condit. And I think that woke up the whole country. Why would she get all the publicity because she had an affair with a congressman and somebody's beautiful daughter or sister wouldn't get the publicity?

So now things are changing. I mean, people are starting to realize that guys like Ted Bundy who killed 29 missing women. Those women, most of them were listed as runaways. They weren't runaways. They were hunted down by a serial killer. So we're starting to change our attitudes. Everybody used to have the opinion. You know, once you're 18, you can run away and disappear. Well most of these women don't choose to run away and disappear. They're in dire straits, and I think we have to change our attitude about missing women.

KING: We'll take a break and come back with more. We'll be taking your calls for John Walsh as well. Don't go away.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the early morning hours of Thursday, May 5th, Solomon says Lindsay phoned him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She left me a voice mail that said she was leaving Monte Carlo and she was going to Luxor. And that's actually where they found her car at. I tried to call her phone, but I called and I called and I called and I called. There was no answer. I got on the airplane after that. I came straight back to Vegas.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Henderson, Nevada police believe Lindsay making a bank deposit 12 hours earlier on Wednesday, May 4th is the last confirmed sighting.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police in this middle class section of Long Beach, California, are in a desperate search for answers. They are baffled as to who would gun down Deputy Rosa in the driveway of her friend's house. A newspaper delivery man found her lying in the driveway Tuesday, March 28th. Deputy Rosa was off duty and not in uniform that morning. Cops say she was loading up the trunk of her car when someone approached her from behind. Investigators believe she spun around to face her attackers, who then opened fire, hitting her twice. Cops say it appears to be a botched robbery.


KING: John Walsh staying atop things.

Let's take some calls for this incredible American. Palm Coast, Florida, hello.

CALLER: Hello. Mr. Walsh, child pornography is a billion-dollar business, and sexual predators can be rich or poor. Even a Homeland Security official was recently arrested for soliciting a child on the Internet.

My question is, shows like Larry King and "Dateline" have made the public more aware, but it's taken our government and elected officials too long to finally take some action. Is it simply because children do not have powerful lobbies representing them the way big corporations do?

WALSH: What a great question. You're absolutely right. I was over at a conference in Europe, and Interpol said that child pornography was a $3 billion a year business, that it was produced by people like the Russian mob, the Rumanian mob, by Americans. And the largest buyers of child pornography in the world -- which is a crime. It has nothing to do with adult pornography. Apples and oranges. But child pornography is a record of child abuse.

And it has taken this long for state and federal legislators to really step up to the plate and say, these are dangerous people that are incurable. They're very much repeat offenders. They have a high rate of recidivism. And while we study why they do it, and while we don't keep them in jail long enough, at least we should know who they are and people should know where they are.

So you're absolutely. And my wife has always said it. Reve, she said it, you know, children don't have the vote, they don't have the lobby, they don't have the money. I mean, go to Capitol Hill. I walk those halls all the time, and there are zillions of paid lobbyists up there, high-paid lobbyists. And outside of Ernie Allen and people at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, Robbie Calloway is another great example, there aren't really very many lobbyists for children up there. But it's about darn time that this country realizes what a big business the exploitation of children really is.

KING: Victorville, California, hello.

CALLER: Hi. I just wanted to ask you a question. I wanted to know why when people, the more attractive they are or the more attractive the child is or the more attractive the missing person is, their case receives more attention. And it's most unfortunate, because if you're the parent of a missing or exploited child, you should not base it on their looks how much publicity the case receives.

KING: That's true, isn't it, John? In fact, whites get more attention than blacks.

WALSH: Well, I think -- I think that this lady has hit the nail on the head. And there certainly is a bias in the media, I think. I've always said the media should be colorblind. When we cover cases like JonBenet Ramsey, which needs to be covered, certain cases like Danielle van Dam down in San Diego, there were two girls that lived in a trailer park in Oregon that were kidnapped within two weeks of each other, never made national attention.

But I also say one thing. People ask me why do certain cases, outside of that factor, get a lot of attention? I say it's the parents who hang in there and are the toughest.

We'd never know about Natalee Holloway if it wasn't for Beth Holloway and that family, because she wasn't the first girl that was raped in the Caribbean or wound up missing. A lot has to do with the tenacity of the parents, because all of a sudden you realize, maybe the media won't cover your story, but I'll tell you, it would last five minutes in the news if it isn't for the parent who hang in there and constantly beg, beg and plead.

You know, parents do it to me all the time. The toughest thing is to say no. But I think you've hit the nail on the head. The media's got to wake up to the fact that it's not just blonde little girls that go missing.

KING: Tell me about this Warren Jeffs case.

WALSH: You know, this guy, Larry, is a dangerous, dangerous guy. The FBI and local authorities say that he's a cult leader, he has thousands of followers, millions of dollars. He's a spinoff -- and it's not even right to say that he was a spinoff of the Mormons, because people like the Smarts are Mormons, and this guy is an absolute aberration.

But he's a polygamist. He believes in taking young girls and giving them to his followers, young girls as young as 12, 13 years old. He's wanted on multiple charges of child molestation. Who knows what else he's done, but he's been a fugitive for years. And I'd say he's a very, very dangerous cult leader, and I hope some of his followers are watching tonight and say, look, we'll give this guy up, because he's a nut case.

KING: We'll be right back with John Walsh and take some more of your phone calls for the host of "America's Most Wanted."

First, though, let's check in with Anderson Cooper. He will host "AC 360" at the top of the hour. Anderson, what's up tonight?

ANDERSON COOPER, HOST, "ANDERSON COOPER 360": Larry, we have some new information coming in right now about a car crash involving Congressman Patrick Kennedy. Police at the scene saying, according to a union official, that he appeared intoxicated. The congressman late tonight is telling his side of the story. We'll have all the developments ahead on "360."

Also, he's taken fire from generals and senators and editorial pages all across the country. Tonight, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld got hit by hecklers, but also by one quiet civilian, who in a remarkable exchange confronted him on the intelligence the administration used to sell the war. We'll hear from that man, a retired CIA officer, and see how his facts hold up. That's ahead on "360," Larry.

KING: Stay tuned for that. The always-interesting "ANDERSON COOPER 360". It's at the top of the hour, 10:00 Eastern, 7:00 Pacific. And we'll be right back with John Walsh. Don't go away.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Open the door. We're going to kick it in.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My name is Kirk Dibitz (ph). I'm a Dallas police officer.

We're not hitting the place blind. That's not going to happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You just picked the wrong day to get arrested, that's all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kirk (ph) gets by in his job because he uses his head. Every case that he gets, they're going to get caught.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's not the physical specimen of a police officer.



KING: Take another call for John Walsh. Athens, Georgia, hello.

CALLER: Yes, my question is -- well, actually, to start off, I was 13 when Adam went missing, and I watched the entire -- the abduction, you know, you being on television and all that. And my question is, how do you emotionally deal with, every day dealing with children that are either found or not found? How do you go on every single day?

WALSH: Well, that's a good question. You know, hosting "America's Most Wanted" I think sometimes is the worst job in television, because I see the worst of society. And then on Saturday night, I'll see the best of society. I'll see people come forward and turn wanted fugitives in -- not as vigilantes, but as people who are trying to make a difference.

You know, my wife Reve always said, "You know, sometimes we forget who the real victim is." And that was Adam. And I think you have to have the courage to stand up and say, "Look, this is tough stuff." But you've just have to hang in there and keep swinging. I really try to focus in on the fact that Adam was the real victim.

KING: But in doing the work you do, you have to constantly think of Adam.

WALSH: Absolutely. Senator Frist said something really wonderful today when he called me from the floor of the Senate. He said, "You know, this has been a tough journey getting this legislation through," he says. "But there is a little boy up there in heaven that is probably looking down on you and your wife and are very proud of you." And I thought that was such a touching thing because I think -- thinking of Adam is a great motivator. I mean, I wanted to make sure that he didn't die in vain. And all the good thoughts I have about that little boy -- I was lucky to have him for six years. I was really blessed to have him.

KING: Sioux Lookout, Ontario. Hello.

CALLER: Hello?

KING: Hi, go ahead.

CALLER: Mr. Walsh?

WALSH: Yes, ma'am.

CALLER: Hello, Mr. Walsh. My name is Florence. I wrote to you three or four years ago, and I sent a lengthy letter. I'm wondering if you can help me. My daughter has been missing for 21 years, and I would like to know if you could give me some advice on what to do. I really haven't had a lot of help from the police because her husband is a worker there. And I'm just hoping that you can give me a little help.

KING: Is that too far gone, John, 21 years?

WALSH: No, you know something, Larry, I think the amazing thing is we've done lots of cold cases. I mean, we turn down hundreds of cases every week. We get literally millions of hits on our Web site, amw.com for people who have old cold cases.

But we've solved cases that were 20 years old. I can't promise that we'd do this, but after this show is done, I'll make sure that the CNN wonderful producers give me your name. I'll have one of our producers call you. The odds are very, very slim that that case would be solved, but you know what, I never give up hope. I don't believe you should give up home. We'll try to help you.

KING: We have the number and we will get it to you. Charlotte, North Carolina, hello.

CALLER: Hi, Larry, thanks for taking my call.

KING: Sure. CALLER: Mr. Walsh, I was wondering how would you feel if Hollywood decided to make a movie about Elizabeth Smart's abduction? Do you think that would be a good thing?

WALSH: Well, they already have. I mean, they made a big-time movie of the week. They promoted the heck out of it. I think the Smarts participated.

I think, you know, years back NBC did a movie about Adam's abduction called "Adam", and it was done by Alan Landsburg and his now beautiful deceased wife Linda Otto. And they did it with such dignity and integrity, they actually were the first T.V. movie the week to show pictures of missing kids.

And that show aired three times, found 65 missing kids before there was even a National Center for Missing Exploited Children. So if it's done with dignity, integrity, if it sticks to the script and it doesn't go tabloid, sometimes you can change things or create an awareness through the power of the media.

And I saw CNN do it after the hurricane, for example. They partnered up with the national center, split the screen. We had 5,000 kids that were displaced after the hurricane. And CNN was a partner in that. So you know what, sometimes the media can do it the right way. Most of the time they don't choose to take the high road. That's the sad thing.

KING: We'll be back with the remaining moments with John Walsh. Don't go away.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After he bolted from the federal pen, investigators found something absolutely unbelievable left behind in his cell, a copy of the official FBI report on his last escape back in 1992.

Cops say the killer took advantage of the Freedom of Information Act to get it. Investigators say he was clearly trying to learn from the mistakes that got him caught last time. And that's going to make it even harder to track him down now. Marshals think McNair might try to change up his appearance. He could remove his goatee or grow out and dye his hair blonde.



KING: Delhi, Ontario for John Walsh, hello.

CALLER: Hi Larry and John, bless you both. In Canada here, we don't have a public sex offender registry. I want to know what John's thoughts were on the two sex offenders which were murdered and do you think that this will become a trend as a result of a public sex offender registry.

KING: That happened in Canada, right? They were murdered and then he killed himself, right?

WALSH: No it a Canadian who came across the border. Unfortunately, I think that's an aberration. I think it's a terrible thing that those two guys were murdered. I don't believe in vigilantism.

But I've done many shows in Canada, caught many, many fugitives, I think over 40 people that have run across the border to hide in Canada. I know Canada has sex offenders that have come here to hide out. And I really think a national registry, particularly Canada having one, and exchanging information with American authorities would be a good thing.

I think every Canadian parent, citizen, should know if a guy has crossed the line -- only convicted felons -- has crossed the line and hurt a child or raped a woman, to at least know where they are because so many of these guys are mobile. And I have tracked so many guys that have run specifically to Canada because they know there's no sex offender registry there. It's not a bad thing. That was a very unfortunate incident.

KING: John, we only have a minute. What are your thoughts on Moussaoui getting life without parole?

WALSH: You know, I really think that jury went through hell. This guy is just a wannabe. I was at Ground Zero. I've been in the Persian Gulf, I've been in the Middle East. These guys want to be martyrs. This is a psycho dangerous nut case, and I think he ought to rot in that prison cell and I think the jury sent a large message to Muslim extremists and al Qaeda and all the rest of those terrorist cowards.

We're not going to put up with you. And we're not going to give you what you want and make a martyr out of this guy. He's going to rot in a cell for the rest of his life. And we're not going to put up with this. I think it was a good, loud message.

KING: John Walsh, congratulations on the bill tonight. We hope the House breezes through, the president will sign it and I hope it will happens on May 25th. And thank you for appearing with Elizabeth and Ed.

WALSH: It was an honor and thank you for your help on that piece of legislation.

KING: Thank you, John, as always. John Walsh, one of the good guys, the host of "America's Most Wanted." We've got a great show for you tomorrow night. Robert Shapiro, the famed attorney who lost his son from an overdose of drugs will return to LARRY KING LIVE along with his wife Linell. It will be her first television appearance to discuss the loss of her son. And then a major panel will discuss addiction and trying to defeat it. That's all tomorrow night.

Right now, let's head to New York City. Anderson Cooper standing by to host "A.C. 360" and a lot on his plate tonight. Anderson?